All posts by HolyCrap WOTF

When you look at Kaalia the text says "Whenever Kaalia of the Vast attacks an opponent [...]". The important bit is the "whenever". The ability triggers only when Kaalia attacks. This can only happen during the attack step -- before blockers get declared. Before the block step all ability triggers get resolved, so the tokens are already on the battlefield before blockers can be declared.

@Tishthomas check the "Kicker" page on the wiki. All the basic rules can be found there. A short summary would be this: if you pay the kicker cost when you cast a spell you get an additional or altered effect.

So, in case of Goblin Bushwhacker, if you pay a red mana, you get the Bushwhacker and nothing else. If you pay the kicker cost (one red mana) in addition to the red mana for the spell, you get the Bushwhacker *and* creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain haste until end of turn. That's a one time thing and can only be used once. -- the exception is multikicker.

This only works when you cast the spell. Once the Bushwhacker is on the battlefield you won't get another chance to get the kicker effect.

Hope this helps! :)

Not focused on a specific color combination and looking more for unique concepts that are fun to play. This can vary from mono-green stompy to Esper control. As long as it's fun, I'll play it. :)

Hello there and welcome to the Wiki!

Mana is the resource for casting your spells (like creatures, sorceries, instants). It is not represented by a card, but more of concept. See, if you tap Gilded Lotus three Mana are being added to your Mana Pool. Mana in your Mana Pool can then be used to cast another spell. Try to imagine Gilded Lotus as another land: you tap it and get Mana for your spells. In general this is called "Mana Source".

The topic is quite extensive. Look up the articles for "Mana" and "Mana Pool" on the wiki. They are a bit outdated, but I'm pretty sure, you will get the basics. ;)

And of course, if you have more questions, post them here. Always glad to help.

Hope, you will have an amazing start and a boatload of fun with Magic!

Cheers!

HolyCrap_WOTF (admin)

Disagree. If you followed the discussion for the last adoption request, I don't see the point in voting for a new bureaucrat. The amount of active contributers is very small right now and the only role a bureaucart would fill is to promote admins. Everything else can be managed through the current admins and moderators.

btw: Welcome to the wiki! Looking forward to your first contributions. If you have questions contact me or Dv54321. Happy editing!

HolyCrap_WOTF (admin)

Use the correct templates and it should work.

Kindred of Boon: instead of "|cost= {{2}}{{W}}{{W}}" use "|cost= {{cost|2|W|W}}"

Sometimes server caching can cause images to not be displayed properly. Try purging the page (that's the Null Edit option in the edit menu). If still nothing changes, look if you made a mistake in file or template syntax.

Right at the moment I have nothing else to say than I believe you made the correct choice, Dv, and are taking your first steps in the right direction.

If any other members of community want to add something to the conversation, please, do so. I'd suggest to leave this thread open for a couple of days and then close it.

Thanks to all participants!

@Dv54321: Starting with your first post after mine.

1. It's not about if you blocked someone in the past; it's about if you would have done it in the future.

2. Same goes here: we're on the internet. Please, don't take this personally, but you could make things up. You tell us now you won't, tomorrow you decide otherwise.

3. I explained on Wendy's wall that there is a difference between not editing and not looking after the wiki. Wikia's requirement for adoption is 60 days of admins not editing. This does not include (and Wikia doesn't have a way to check on that) if I log into my account, go through RecentChanges to see what's going on and then log out again. Exactly this was what I did since October.

4. Example: mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:22692

My last question was posted on March 28, 2016. Since you never replied to it, discussion was moved to the old forum on May 18, 2016 which can now be found here: mtg.wikia.com/d/p/2746958137524516334

You didn't post in that thread either.

5. Cool!

6. IIRC correctly from another wiki this is a bug. When the time comes and it's still not working we can contact support.

Next post: don't see a point in promoting "active" users at the moment. open to discuss this though.

Next post: somewhat irrelevant since you chose to demote yourself, but here is why a wiki poll is not a good idea in this case: anonymous users can vote, too. They don't even have to log in. If you look at the poll now there are 2 votes for the second option. Both votes were made by me. All I had to do is changing my IP adress.

Last post: Again, I would have waited until other members of community shared their opinion. Agree on 1. to 4.

@Tyler Crusher: Noted. I think this was pointed out before.

@Defiant Creeper: Thanks for joining the discussion. Very much appreciated. Every voice should be heard. Disagree on your point about "having other things to do" though. It's up to each one of us how to spend his/her time. And don't worry: there's no reason for a block. Stick to ToU and community policies and all is well. ;)

btw: please, continue the discussion about school filtering, technical details and other off-topic talk in a separate post/message walls. Thank you.

@Dv54321: First things first: this is not a fight. A fight -- at least to my definition -- would include that I pull each and every dirty trick in the book to humilate and silence you. Which is not the case. I'm here with you and the community to find a solution. So, discuss with me, please. I'm making my points, please, bring out yours.

On your last posts: sounds good. nice words, but only words. As you said it yourself: you've changed. Now, how can we make sure you don't change your mind again tomorrow and all of my concerns come true? That's why I'm objecting your suggestion giving you a trail run. Technically you still *could* go on another rampage and block admins. Read DefiantCreeper's comment: he's hestitating to speak freely. This is not a good sign for a healthy community.

So, why not do it the other way round like I suggested before? In your own words: "[...] I haven't used my rights [...] because I haven't needed to [...]". So, if you don't need them, why keep them? If it's just a button on your profile page, please, explain to me why you want to keep it so much.

The one single difference between bureaurat and an admin is the ability of promoting and demoting admins. So, as I see it, there is no point to promote someone at the moment. What is left? Yepp, demoting...

By giving up your status you would prove to everyone that all you said above is your true intention.

Similar for admin status: if your highest priority is updating the wiki, what do you need admin rights for? Point out to me when, how and where you did administrative work. Don't worry, I wont bring up the all-caps post again. We've gone through this.

Speaking of administrative work: it's far more than just deleting pages for housekeeping. That's what a content moderator does. Admistrative work includes a lot of what we're doing here right now: discussing with other users, making sure conversations don't go a bad way. looking for solutions. And to come back to the "fight" topic, I can tell you from my own experience, in other communities this here is nothing. There are far -- well, not worse, but let's say -- more unpleasant guys out there than me. ;)

So, in order to not drag this out any longer: you uttered words, now let them follow action. Or continue discussing with me. I'm up for both.

@Dv54321 as promised I'll try to reply to your posts one-by-one:

1) ownership and bureaucrat status: as several users mentioned before those two are completely different things. if you're repeatedly say you "own" the wiki, this will make others think you want to run the place and you're some kind of boss and everyone else will have to do what you say. Adds to the atmosphere of fear as I described. Also, see StalkingVengeance's comment about having a title.

2) I'm not upset. I am alert because you adopted the wiki without even making an attempt to let others know. Wikia for me is about community and communication. You left community aside and posted the request single-handedly. This creates the impression that you did that on purpose, so others can't tell you if it's a good or bad idea. No discussion, people have to deal with your actions wether they like it or not. How can people trust you when you act on your own?

3) Marking someone else's profile as candidate for deletion is a joke? Really? Stating someone else is unneeded should make the person laugh? Seriously? Even with the knowledge of your health circumstances I don't believe that. For me this sends a clear message: "Get out of here, HolyCrap! I don't want you here! You can see what I'm doing and I don't like that!" In other words, harrassment/bullying: trying to scare me and therefore leave the wiki. btw: Have you seen anyone else making such jokes? And even if it's a joke, you picked exactly the one person that was the last active admin, the person that told you in the past that things are going the wrong way and the person that could put a stop to your actions. Strange coincidence, isn't it?

4) Being rude to you: let's look at an example mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:23089 Please, point out to me who exactly is rude.

There's one guy (you) typing in all-caps, which is the equivalent of screaming at someone while telling others what they should do or not do.

First comment gives you details about what happened and why.

Second one suggests being nice to each other.

Third one asks to calm down and offers you help.

Give me any other example. Maybe this wasn't the best...

5) Abusing power and having the tools to do so: True, you haven't made use of your bureaucrats rights -- except giving someone else the same status that has left the wiki long time ago and will probably never come back. Nice gesture, but doesn't make sense or change a thing.

On the other hand, tomorrow it would be possible I log in and find the wiki vandalised and my account being blocked -- presumably by the person (you) who is the one that exclusively has said tools and tried to get rid of me beforehand. Again, atmosphere of fear.

And on top of that: if you don't make use of it, why have bureaucrat status then? You don't need them to create new pages and anything else you did so far. But, and that's my concern, you have a title and probably assume people have to be nice to you because if they don't, you can block them -- even admins.

6) ToS and being able to edit profile pages of others: on first glance probably a technical issue. On another note, in a worst case scenario admins should be able to edit any page on the wiki. Best example: someone marks another user's profile as candidate for deletion.

7) Inactivity/no one else is editing: Yumyum36 was editing, I was, few new contributers were. Not a lot, not sustained, I give you that. You read my posts on Wendy's wall and know the reasons why I seemed inactive. I still watch what is happening even if I don't make content edits. So, technically admin inactivity is correct. That's why the adoption request was not declined or set on hold by Wikia.

However, what would keep you from posting a message on my wall? As you did before; as other people did before. Or creating a discuss post like this one? "Hey guys, no one's working here. Are you still active? Do you guys mind if I adopt the wiki and try to get something going?" Wait a few weeks, no one's answering. Fine, go and request adoption then.

None of that happened, which implies you tried to push through adoption without anyone else noticing -- anyone that might have a different opinion.

8) Deleting messages: Why would I? I try to have a public conversation with the community including you. As long as it's not against Wikia ToU or community policies, I don't see a point in censoring somebody. IIRC you're from the US; you should know about freedom of speech, right?

9) Autism: read the comment from my wall you posted above again. You're free to share this or keep it to yourself. Sad indeed and I'm feeling for you, but not a game-changer to me.

Think about it: is it a good idea to give someone the highest possible "power" on the wiki who -- in his own words -- can't take criticism and can't understand social cues? Doesn't sound like a good basis to me when it comes to moderating serious issues on the wiki. Admins (and ofc bureaucrats) should be able to lead a conversation and direct discussions to a healthy outcome.

So, please, reconsider if you still want to fill that role -- although you already know you're having massive trouble doing so.

By now, I've given you plenty of arguments why it is not a good idea to retain your current status and my suggestion to all of this would be to give up your bureaucrat rights -- if you're brave enough even your admin rights. You made first, very good attempts to become a good contributer to the wiki and I offer you to continue my support -- under said circumstances. And yes, I've seen you finally removed the announcement that you will ban people on your profile page. Good job! More of that, please! At a point in the future when you have shown you can consistently contribute valueable content we can discuss again to give you advanced tools if needed. Earn your status, don't simply let it be given to you to "rule" over others. There's a word for that: tyranny.

Hopefully, we can come to an agreement and I'm looking forward to your reply.

@Tyler Crusher: Thanks for your opinion. Please, point out the line to me where I stated the answers were "lies". There is a difference between "wrong" and "lie".

Adoption process indeed went flawlessly quoting Wikia Staff: "For promotion from admin to bureaucrat, we only require that the other admins have been inactive for 30 days, and any bureaucrat inactive for 60 days. This condition was met."

Wikia Staff also advised to discuss. Demotes can be handed in with local community consent.

As my weekly routine as a long-term admin I discovered user rights had been changed by Wikia staff on December 16, 2017 for several users including our current bureaucrat The_GreatPerhaps. Bureaucrat status was stripped and exclusively given to Dv54321.

So, I went to Community Central and found an adoption request from December 13, 2017‎, which at that time already was marked as completed:

community.wikia.com/wiki/Adoption:Magic:_The_Gathering_Wiki_(5)

Going through the details and already having met Dv54321 before, I became more and more alert. Given info in the request by Dv54321 was either halfway true or simply wrong. Let's look at those one-by-one:

*Q: How many edits have you made on that wiki? A: 441

Probably true, but it's the quality of your edits that counts, not the amount. I'll cover this in a later section.

*Q: How many days/months have you been editing there? A: since 2016

Wrong. Looking at Dv54321's contributions first edit was on April 9, 2015.

Content: requesting admin status without having made a single edit before.

*Q: Special:ListAdmins when was the last time an admin edited, and who was it? A: Me, but the last time someone else had edited who is an admin was 2016.

Wrong again: see mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop

admin StalkingVengeance, last edit: 11:53, February 12, 2017

admin HolyCrap_WOTF, last edit: 18:18, October 23, 2017

*Q: Any other information A: I'm currently an Admin, but would like to become an owner.

Other users pointed out that adoption has nothing to do with ownership. Maybe Dv54321 simply used the wrong term, but to me this gives a good insight about his intentions.

Unofficial answers advised Dv54321 to

*edit actively: didn't happen; Dv54321 did seven edits on December 13:

one was changing the wiki-background (without community consent; former changes were discussed and votes took place.), one reverted edit, 3x adding redundant/wrong categories, created an redundant welcome message (probably in hope, welcome messages would then display his name) and created a template that does nothing and isn't used anywhere: mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Blocked

On top of that he deleted the Wiki's favicon.

All following edits were made after completion of the adoption request.

*create an adoption request (flog or forum) for people to comment on for a week or more): didn't happen -- unless someone can show me where.

*message the other active administrator User:HolyCrap_WOTF about it: didn't happen.

The next comment on the request page is Wikia Staff granting Dv54321 bureaucrat rights on December 16, 2017. So, in essence the request was completed within three days. Only someone who would have looked at Community Central's adoption request page in that time frame would have noticed what was going on.

As I mentioned before I already had my encounters with Dv54321. Most interesting is the adoption request that was made before by The_GreatPerhaps in April, 2016:

under "Any Other Information" you will find earlier issues concerning Dv54321 the community had to go through: community.wikia.com/wiki/Adoption:Magic:_The_Gathering_Wiki_(4)

Core points:

*being inactive

*openly threatening others with bans

*executing automated disruptive edits with ABW

*vandalism caused this way had to be fixed by other users

*bullying

*ignoring communication

Since DV54321 got granted bureaucrat status things got even worse: only two days after his promotion he marked my profile page as candidate for deletion stating I'm an "Unneeded user" which can be found here: mtg.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:HolyCrap_WOTF&diff=70717&oldid=42848

One day later same thing happened again: mtg.wikia.com/wiki/User:HolyCrap_WOTF?diff=next&oldid=70718

This time without giving any reason.

I'm not quite sure how this is handled on other communties, but editing other users' profile page (unless it clearly goes against Wikia's ToU) is an absolute no-go for me. Therefore I'm considering this as harassment and an attempt to kick me out off the wiki.

On the very same day, December 19, 2017 he posted on my wall:

mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:27861 asking for help to set up new pages because "it's a lot of work".

@Dv54321: Please, explain this one to me. You're adopting the wiki behind my back, try to remove my profile page twice because I'm "unneeded" and then expect me to add new content and help you fix stuff you messed up in the first place? I seriously don't understand what exactly you assumed my reply would be.

I even can't give you an answer, since you removed the message just two hours later because -- in your own words: "i want this removed".

Looking at RecentChanges right now I find very few valid edits apart from duplicates, stubs, broken pages, templates that don't serve a purpose, dubious deletions and (untagged) uploads. On other wikis this would be considered repeated spam and vandalism.

To come to an conclusion, I heavily disagree with the decision granting Dv54321 bureaucrat status. In my opinon bureaucrat rights are not necessary for the "edits" Dv54321 is doing and he is by no means qualified to fill such role -- as he has shown in the past at several occasions. Giving someone the tools to freely harass other users, abuse given power and locking out admins leads to an unhealthy atmosphere of fear. I'm almost expecting this post to be removed as soon as Dv54321 has found it and will probably be blocked or banned.

I'm currently in contact with Wikia Staff to see how the matter can be treated. (Will of course post updates here as soon as they happen.)

One part is of course taking the community's opinion into account. So, please, share your thoughts! I'm looking forward to your replies.

Cheers!

HolyCrap_WOTF (admin)

Hey there and welcome to the wiki!

Depends on what you're exactly interested in really. Magic is one of the most famous Trading Card Games firstly published in 1993 by Wizards of the Coast. It's heavily fantasy themed putting you into the role of a "planeswalker", a wizard-like being able to cast spells and travel the worlds (planes) of the multiverse.

Playwise your goal is to win against your opponent usually by reducing his/her life total to zero (althought there are other ways to win, too). The great appeal of the game is the variety of playstyles and strategies, mixed up with different formats.

Other aspects of the game include deckbuilding, collecting cards, trading, art and of course having fun while playing.

The wiki contains a lot of info regarding rules, cards, etc. So, if you're looking for something specific there probably is a page for it. If not, feel free to ask away!

Over time MtG spawned several (digital) derivates. If you're completely new and don't want to spend a lot of money, I'd recommend you one of the latest digital versions: Magic Duels (free-to-play on iOs, Xbox One and Steam). --Search wikia; there's a complete wiki just for the game. ;D

Cheers!

HolyCrap WOTF (talk) 20:16, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

So that's 3/4 admins with a yes after 4 days. I'll up the image now. Comment please, if color scheme (main, text, links, buttons) can stay at it is.

definitely needs an overhaul
btw: code is a huge wiki-table. So apart from unattractive design these pages are also horrible to maintain when it comes to editing. Don't like the set template beneath either. Could be part of the planned overhaul.

Would volunteer to help out designing info boxes and/or layout.

Thanks, StalkingVengeance! Just keep em coming! ;D

Hope, you don't mind, if these will take some time. I'm quite busy at another wiki atm, but will surely increase my edit count again, once I can spare the time. Small, urgent changes can be done anytime, of course! ;)